Delia Quigley: STORIES

2025 Episode Recap: Conversation with a Wize Woman

• Delia Quigley • Season 2 • Episode 7

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A year of conversations distilled into one clear invitation: choose balance you can feel, not perfection you can’t keep. We look back with our friend and returning voice, Debra Fernandez, to explore the real passage from warrior years into wize woman seasons—and why strength often looks like peace, boundaries, and steady daily rituals rather than constant fight.

We unpack the language that shapes identity. What if “warrior” doesn’t mean conflict, but the courage to live aligned? What if wisdom is action you can sustain? From there, we move into intuition as a first signal—the felt knowing that arrives before analysis—and a minimalist approach to prayer that many of us already practice without naming it: thank you and help. Mindfulness ties it together by training simple awareness of breath, body, and thought, creating space to respond rather than react.

Then we get practical. Food as medicine sits at the center of better energy, clearer mood, and steadier sleep. We trace how meat-heavy, salt-forward, ultra-processed patterns pull us toward extremes, and how macrobiotic balance offers a useful middle path—think whole grains like brown rice, beans, vegetables, minerals, and fewer industrial sugars. We talk menopause numbers, protein needs, gut health, and the sanity of cutting refined sugar and ultra-processed foods first. We widen the lens to chronic disease trends, the “media diet” that trains our nervous system, and the responsibility of personal choice within a community. Compassion becomes the operating system: care for yourself in a way that lightens the load for others.

If you’re ready to feed your body and your brain better, honor intuition, and adopt small practices that actually stick, this conversation gives you a clear starting point. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a steady middle, and leave a review to tell us one change you’ll make this week.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome back to Stories. I'm your host, Delia Quigley. And today's episode is a look back at the moments that shaped this past year on the original titled Five Body Wisdom, now known as Stories. My guest and dear friend Debra Fernandez joins me as we revisit the episodes that spark the deepest conversations, from a woman's passage between the warrior stage and the wise woman years, to the ever-growing recognition of how your food, your energy, and your daily habits shape all of our health. This is an unscripted conversation of the insights, stories, and teachings that resonated most with listeners this year and with the two of us. Think of it as a pause before the new year begins, a chance to honor what we've learned and to carry forward what matters. Okay, let's begin. Okay, so we've come together here for a conversation because our last conversation was so popular on creativity, that I've I've asked you to join me on a um a retrospect of this last year of episodes and calling it the best of both Five Body Wisdom, which is how this whole podcast started. And and I think it was you who said, Delia, I don't, after all this time, I still don't know what the hell Five Body Wisdom is. Sounds like me. So I thought, okay, it's a good point. And I changed it to, STORIES, all right? Delia Quigley, STORIES, uh, because that's what we really focus on. But if we're going to look at the best of, interestingly enough, some of the best of in this past year, because early February is when I began to launch this podcast, the a woman's kitchen where magic happens, shot to the top. Although it took a while to get there because the number one, which is kind of dear to our hearts, was a warrior stage. So a warrior stage is that time of life when a woman moves from her uh uh 40s into her 50s, right? Menopause begins, estrogen levels change, and she takes on like a little more spiritual practice. So that has been a very successful uh episode. And that voyeur stage also prepares us to go into our wise woman stage. Did you feel that? Because you were uh teaching and choreographing at Skidmore, right?

Speaker:

Yes. I definitely felt that. I think, you know, something I've really been looking at lately and taking the time to ask people, semantics. You know, we we we throw a lot of words around that we get used to hearing and we assume everyone perceives them in the same way. Um, I was talking to a friend the other day that's actually doing the 12 steps, and she talked about resentment, and I was like, Well, what does that word really mean to you? Because we, you know, we hear words, so even when I hear the warrior stage, I think, okay, I I I know what that means for me, but it could mean something very different for a different kind of woman. So yeah, I was I really did love that that podcast, and I like hearing everyone's responses. I think what I I I would say warrior might have come to me even a little later than my 50s. I think I think there's always been a deep warrior inside me, down there supporting me, but our behaviors as females were very, I think we all from our generation share that people please, you know, the obvious things and the things we've heard all your listeners say, the people pleasing, the going along with things, the nurturers. Um, you know, my nephews came to visit, and I've never made so many meals for someone in my life. Even though, as you know, I'm not a kitchen person. I thought, my God, how easily the female slips into taking care of everyone. Even though I didn't leave my life that way. The minute they were in my house, I jumped into that role. The packing the lunches, the cookie, the chips, you know, it was really kind of amazing to observe. Wait, wait, wait a minute.

Speaker 1:

And then knowing you it's like, you know, just the thank God they're gone with no guilt. Just thank God. Totally.

Speaker:

And not because I didn't love being with them. Yeah, I loved being with them, but I'm like, wow, I really kind of wasn't made to caretake, you know.

Speaker 1:

What came to mind as I was listening to and what you were saying is, you know, our personalities, and I'm, you know, I'm a double Aries, and you're a Libra, which was a nice balance between for our friendship. But I jumped into my warrior stage like yahoo. I didn't even know it. I just, you know, I was just there, and I must have stepped into it like boom, 50, and the armor came clinking onto my body. I was like warrior spear in hand. Well, I was also in a very um deep spiritual practice, so I call it you know, the spiritual warrior.

Speaker:

Well, I always saw you as a warrior from the moment that we met when we were in our 20s. I felt that. That's probably a past life thing that we that we had. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying, that I think there can be an essence. In reality, we probably both were warriors. In in again, coming up in our generation, even to do what we did with our lives, we had to have had that because we went at it, you know, uh by ourselves, very autonomous. But I think our personalities and our way of being in the world can still be more careful than what might be waiting in our guts to emerge, you know. So for you, like I said, I always saw you that way, and you were way more that way than I was. But for you, it came cra, you know, crashing forward in your 50s. I think it took me even a little bit longer.

Speaker 1:

Because I put the um the wise woman stage before the warrior stage, it kind of went backwards here. I was going backwards because that's where I am, the wise woman. And I spell it W-I-Z-E, because that's really how you pronounce it.

Speaker:

And by the way, I was wise woman before I was warrior.

Speaker 1:

Oh, interesting. So being becoming the wise woman brought forward the uh warrior for you.

Speaker:

Yeah, because warrior, and this is something else I want to get into with you because I'd love your thoughts on it. And I believe you've even talked about this before. When we think warrior program-wise, we think fighters, men, armor, the Vikings. You know, that I did not like to fight. I still don't. Very conflict avoidant. So wise woman was my safer place because I always had being a Libra, naturally, the scales, I'd be a great judge. I am very good at interpreting things, helping people see things. So wisdom, I think, was always part of my more comfortable place to kind of tap into my gifts. And being a teacher even supported that more. I was probably scared of warrior. Like, I'm not a fighter.

Speaker 1:

So this is really interesting. I'm just now kind of clarifying for myself, because my father was a warrior, right? Because he was he was in the military. And he used to tell me that it's the warriors, it's the soldiers who think most highly and want peace. And that's why they're warriors. Peace is what we're really, you know, working towards. Peace of mind, you know, peace in the world, heart peace. It's just this whole mental peace. And I think a lot of my work has been towards that, you know, helping people to find peace. Will that ever happen in the world? You know, not with men in control, but at the same time, if we can get begin to understand ourselves, you know, as human beings, we can begin to find that opening to create more peace of mind, which reflects out into the world.

Speaker:

That's beautiful. And I I love that you said that about your dad, because now that I think about recently just you know, hearing news shows, many of the top people who have been in the military have said that exact same thing. It's people who have been to war, who value peace, who want peace, and not to get into anybody's politics or rub anybody wrong. But I think, you know, now with the Department of War instead of the Department of Defense.

Speaker 1:

Well, we see the return of the nuclear age, and that was like, come on, that's done. You know, we put that behind us as a species, and now here it is, revived again, right? Okay, so we don't want to get into a lot of political things because I want to move into from there from from the warrior to wise woman, into uh a woman's intuition was also a high numbers on listeners. Intuition, did you um did you add something to that one?

Speaker:

I can't remember because we should have an episode on a woman's memory. That would be very appropriate.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I got a good one I read recently. I'll speaking on that. Um, I read that science has revealed that you know how you have something in your mind and then you walk into a room and you forgot what you came into the room for? Well, literally they say what happens is when you walk in, when you change from one room to another, you change that atmosphere, the brain clears itself in preparation for what it's going to encounter in this new environment. It's kind of the the older um reptilian brain, still like, okay, is there a monster waiting then? Is it a bunch of warriors waiting to kill me? Right? So we go into a room and we go, God, what the hell was I thinking about? Oh my God, I'm just, you know, my I'm losing my memory. But in in reality, it's just our mind clearing data so that it's ready to, you know, take on whatever it's going to encounter next. It's interesting I thought that was really interesting. And I think it makes a lot of sense. And what about your intuition? How did you uh how do you feel about my intuition's always been very strong?

Speaker:

So that would kind of go for me in those quiet parts of me, like wise woman. Um again, warrior being the thing that I think I misunderstood. But I've always had deep intuition and I've always trusted it. We probably talked about we probably touched on that in our creativity conversation because you need intuition for your creativity. You need to trust it. It's that voice that comes before, like we talked about with the critic. It's that voice, that knowing that comes before. You know, a friend of mine said something very interesting because I was telling them about this dream. You try start trying to make sense of it. And she said that her therapist said to her, never try to make sense of a dream. What you want to feel, what you want to do at the end is what did it make me feel? What did I feel? What did it bring up? So if the situation or something seems odd, doesn't make sense, it doesn't matter. What did you come away with? And I thought that's important. And to me, that's what intuition is, because you know as well as I do, you feel that in your gut. This is not a good thing to do, this is not a good person to be around. But once it gets up into your brain, you start analyzing, you give the person a break, you make excuses, whatever it is, but your body tells you first. So intuition is very, very keyed into that. My body told me, you know, all the things that the experts talk about with the body, wisdom.

Speaker 1:

So I have a quote here that I used in the uh a woman's intuition when you just know episode by BKS Iengar, right? The the yoga teacher. And it was one of my favorites when I came upon it. I made sure I used it because he says that the in that intuition is superconscious knowing, in which you know before you know how you know.

Speaker:

I use him all the time in my yoga class, and we we've never we've nicknamed it the Iyengar Zingers. He just he just has these things that just speak to you immediately. And by the way, Delia, it reminds me that knowing before you know how you know, I'm sure you've had this feeling. You're reading a book, and even something very complex, like even when I we used to read Aurobindo, who was kind of hard to understand intellectually, but you'd read something and you'd underline it, and you go, How did I know that I know that? Because it's maybe not something you were completely sure of, but you underline it, you you instantly know that you understand it, but you haven't unpacked it yet. That's why we underline things.

Speaker 1:

Or I didn't know I was looking for it until it arrived. So I want to lead into what the episode on prayer, when women pray, because I know you contributed to that, and I thought that was really a good little piece. That thank you and help, right? And you still you use that. You so remind us how that goes.

Speaker:

It was Ilana Van Zant that the I I don't know if she's an actual therapist, but she's an Oprah. Oprah introduced her to the world and she works with families. And Oprah asked her about praying, and she said, I just have two prayers thank you and help. And I thought when you really boil it down, it probably kind of does come to those two things. And that's what you use a lot, yeah. If not in those words, I realize that it falls into one of the two categories. This is so common with prayer too. Even people who say they don't prayer, when the shit hits the fan, suddenly they're praying. I've heard many people admit that. All of a sudden they're on their knees going, God, whoever you are, help me. And I go, There's the, there's the it's when you need help. I agree.

Speaker 1:

And I've noticed, you know, I've been uh lately a number of, I don't know, interviews, celebrities or whatever. And they say, Oh, oh no, I don't pray for myself. I always pray for someone else. And and I was like, Oh, I wish I pray for myself. You know, I pray for others, but I pray for myself because I'm in the thick of this world too, you know, and and we all need a little help.

Speaker:

Well, Delia, let's let's let's let's go into that a little bit because I know you meditate, I meditate. I'm I'm really now leaning a lot into mindfulness meditation, which is just the noticing, you know, the noticing, noticing your body, coming back to the breath, looking at your thoughts, not judging them, noticing them and then letting them go. So to me, that's a kind of a I wouldn't call that prayer. I, you know, I think there's a lot of things we do that people might consider prayer, which is fine if that's what they consider, sitting quietly, meditating. That to me is different than the thank you help.

Speaker 1:

So food is medicine was a big, you know, episode. I don't think that you contributed to that one, but it was it was it was really interesting because I didn't plan on this to happen, but in the doing, in the doing of the the episode, it turns out that all the guests I interviewed and my stories myself was about macrobiotics and beginning as a foundation in which to to build and to grow health-wise, food-wise. And then myself and several of the other gals I interviewed taking that and then teaching it. And it would evolve, you know, it would evolve from macrobiotics, go a little wider and into 50, it would just it would just stretch out like the branches of a tree into 50 million different diets. So everybody's got theirs and everybody's got their book. And really, when you put it, you know, put them all together, it's the same one. You know, there's certain things you eat and there's certain things you don't eat. There's a certain amount you eat and there's a certain amount you don't eat. And you know what I mean? It's just really basic.

Speaker:

Well, Delia, I'd like to ask you about that because this is really an area of expertise for you. I just had a lunch yesterday with a group of people, they each had their own very specific. Well, if you take this, you gotta take this with it. You know, but when we were at a restaurant, and by the time the waitress came, I'm like, I don't even feel like ordering anything anymore. You know, and so we've got so much specific things. And, you know, having been dealing with hives and and then before with the gut, which I thought I shouldn't do gluten, but then on the anti, on the low histamine diet, you can do gluten. People can drive themselves crazy. And I do believe food is medicine in that our food in this country is horrendous. You know, we know that. So, in your mind, how do you address that? Because now we study one food as if it's a separate thing, and then it's very hard to integrate it. You know what I'm saying? People end up, people end up saying to themselves, what can I eat?

Speaker 1:

When I talked about, when I talked about macrobiotics, it's because it really taught the science of food. So if you're gonna eat that, how are you gonna balance it? Right? How and and looking at our uh diet in general, the American diet, we're really heavy in meats, macrobiotics will be very young, very constricting, a lot of salt, very drying. And so, in order to balance that without even thinking about it, we've gone to more sweets, we're going to more desserts and more processed food, because the more heavy, you know, young meat-based diet, we have to go further and further into more yin, more um sweets. You know, it's a really terrible, horrible imbalance. And what I noticed most specifically is watching how our diet on one hand, very heavy on meats and processed foods, and how we have really edged farther into um recreational drugs. Whereas before it might have been, what was the big ones? Marijuana, you know, cocaine, right? But it's gone into fentanyl, I mean it's gone into heroin and now into fentanyl. And these are really specifically yin drugs. And who's not to say? That that trying to balance a diet not only of heavy meats and processed food, but also the stress of our environment, right? Okay, so we kind of intuitively suiting our diet and our drug taking and our food taking just to find some balance. And when we begin to change, we have to work our way into the center, come out of those extremes, because all of that is extreme, into the center. And in the middle, believe it or not, is brown rice. Brown rice is like that center point of balance for food. But you have to understand what goes into the body affects the body. It affects all five bodies, you know, your physical body, your mental body, your energy body, your intellectual or wisdom body, and your ultimately your relationship to the whole, you know, consciousness, your divine body. Everything you put into your body, whether, and you know, just have you know a couple of glasses of wine, yippee, or any medication that's going to change the chemical balance in your body. And that's what it's about: food, drugs, balance, right? And chemistry. You know, the chemistry of food, the chemistry of drugs, it all shifts. But one of the things that rice has is serotonin, you know, right? So this is what uh antidepressants have. It's all about the food. You eat a certain diet, and you're gonna feed the brain, you're gonna feed the body enough nutrition that it can handle everything. So, you know, we talked about in the menopause episode that you need to number. I mean, it's one thing about Western medicine is you can get diagnostic tests and you can find out what you're lacking. You know, find out, and then you can begin to find, well, what do I need to make that balance? All right. I had a macrobiotic teacher, Bill Terra, a brilliant teacher, and he said, you know, you're all looking for balance because macrobiotics or food is about balance. And it's almost impossible to find because you've got to find it maybe in that second, and then it's gone. It's just one of those things like perfection.

Speaker:

Okay, so let's bring this down a notch to where we can come up with something that your listeners can bring into their own life, and that's that you've used the word balance, you've used the word chemistry, and this is something that each person has to look for themselves. So my balance is not your balance. What do we even mean by balance? You know, you might have a few glasses of wine, you might microdose, and that might be a great place for you to live. For somebody else, that's deaf. You know, they can't process alcohol, their life goes downhill. What is balance to each person? It's not the same, and it doesn't follow a prescribed diet.

Speaker 1:

You know, the whole thing is, you know, if you're out of balance through food, through medication, through whatever, your life, your relationships, then you're gonna suffer. And we haven't even talked about that because it all comes back to that suffering.

Speaker:

Suffering, but we're also looking for that elusive state of balance. Now I've got two quotes that I want to share. One is just funny because it's my friend told me this from Jimmy Buffett. Your body is a temple, my body's a tent. You know, for some people, living in a tent works fine, they're happy. If they're happy and they're healthy, that's fine. That's what that's what I'm trying to get at. What because you you yourself just said balance can't last. My other quote that I love was in my yoga class when pi when people would fall out of their trepose or whatever, and the teacher said falling is part of the practice. So we have this idea that we're supposed to stand in tree pose and never waver, you know, to be the best one in the class, your balance, you know. But in fact, balance in includes falling out of balance.

Speaker 1:

Yes, but striving towards finding it again.

Speaker:

Do we strive? Is that what people are striving for? And what I would ask your listeners to really think about what does balance mean in my own life? Right now, being a Libra, I should know the answer to this. I can't I really can't even if you ask me right now, I I think I'd have to think about that. What is in this current stage of my life, what does balance feel like to me? And what does it what am I striving for? Let's put it out to everyone. And and don't let it be something that you've read or that you think you know were was your balance 10 years ago. It's really about every single day in this moment. And it all changes quickly. You know, that's what you notice too in the mindfulness meditation is how quickly your thoughts come and go, how quickly your body sensations can come and go. You know, you have a pain one day, it's not there the next day. Now, I'm not talking about people with serious diagnosed in you know illnesses that they have to do. I'm talking about the everyday kinds of things.

Speaker 1:

Right. So this is leading into the chronic disease, the new normal. Um, I did this episode because I see it all around me. And I particularly see it with younger people. So that, okay, so that comes back to the conversation about balance. All of it comes back to this conversation about balance in terms of, you know, striving, finding, or implementing in your life dietary exercise, uh, meditation, yoga, aspects or or or or what do I looking for? Um, modalities, I guess, that would help shape your life in a way that you can function at the highest rate, right? I want my energy to be able to be there in the morning and take me through the day, my mind clear that I can accomplish what I want to accomplish. I want to be healthy and strong. I want to feel good. And I know, as does, you know, there's no escaping it. I know that if I eat a certain way, or if I don't exercise, and I lay around on the couch watching TV and eating chips or whatever.

Speaker:

You're gonna fall into a different energy pattern that doesn't work for you.

Speaker 1:

That's right. It doesn't work for me, but it doesn't work for anybody because what we're gonna see, we're gonna see that that malaise and that lack of balance in people is a microcosm of the macrocosm of the world. We've gone to these huge extremes because coming back to eating very young meat, salt, right, and then balancing it with alcohol and drugs, there's there's no, there is, it it creates a very toxic liver. And the emotion for liver is anger and violence, and it creates a very stagnant toxic kidneys. And the kidneys are fear. Just look at the at the movies today, because five out of six trailers are gonna be violent, and they're gonna be they're just bloody or oh, and scary and horror and loud. And I'm like, this is where we're feeding the brain over and over. We are constantly training ourselves to be violent.

Speaker:

I I I agree with that, yeah. And I think there's still, of course, plenty of people who are not violent, and you know, plenty of people who are kind and gentle.

Speaker 1:

And what are they feeding their brains, right? I mean, we talk about feeding our bodies food, but what are they feeding their brains? I don't watch that, I don't watch horror movies, I don't want, you know. I mean, it's like, let's take a look at what's you're feeding your brain, because that's food as well. A woman's kitchen where the magic happens happens to be the number one show that people downloaded. And because they know it's all about the food and they know they have to cook.

Speaker:

But again, with so much information about all these specific kinds of diets, what's a person who's not an expert to do, Delia? I mean, what I think that you mentioned lay off the heavily processed foods. That's that's I find that that's an easy one.

Speaker 1:

Lay off the sugar, you know, it's refined sugar. There's a whole history. There's a wonderful uh book by uh William Dufty, um, who was uh educated into healthy eating by Gloria Swanson. It's a great story. But he wrote the book Sugar Blues, and he tells the whole uh history of you know, slavery was really begun in this country because of sugar. But sugar is a big one. I would definitely reduce animal protein. I did this menopause with uh Erin, and she said now it's 100 grams. I'm like, 100 grams? We were doing 50 grams. You know, with the idea was 48 grams for women. I don't need that much protein, and I don't, I'm not called to that much protein. But I also find it in, you know, complimented beans and rice. Beans and rice have fed every civilization exactly from the beginning of time, basically. I really I think get your diagnostics, know what nutrients you need, what you're low in, right? And take a look at your gut, take a look at your belly, because that's where, you know, that's where it's all happened. They say your gut's a brain in itself.

Speaker:

I know. And now we have to think about wrapping up because we've gone way into the food thing, which I think is great because you said that was one of the most popular episodes, and I understand that because everyone's struggling and dealing with that, and also with our time constraints, you know, it's harder for people to be in the kitchen, you know, for a long time. So everybody's gotta figure that out. What would you say to, and maybe this needs to be a part two to this? Is there something we've left out that was a favorite or left questions in people's minds about what the topic was about? And by the way, congratulations on a year of great podcasts.

Speaker 1:

Thank you very much. It has been a year, so I think this was um episode season two, episode six with menopause and then and know your numbers, and that I think is really important. Um, Erin Parak really unpackaged what we need to do. A woman needs to do in order to know her hormones, her nutrition level. I think it's really important to get that. Chronic disease, but I um, you know, I think people that didn't get people were like, I don't know if I want to go there. But I think people should listen to it because it's just prevalent. And the and this is interesting, Deb, because uh New York Times did a big report on Parkinson's and how it is related to the consumption of parakeet, which is a pesticide. And they and men are dropping like flies from, yeah. I mean, this is really important. Not only that they're we've all known that's probably the case, but that they're really saying it. And then still using it. And then coming to you and I, be yourself, everyone else is taken. I think we can wind, you know, kind of uh finish this up with that in mind, because that's everything we've talked about. And how do you find balance and be yourself, you know, get your numbers. You are an individual, you are, you know, someone who um is unique, right? What works for you? And you know, if it works for you to just trash yourself and what's that expression, slide into the end of life, you know, worn out and right, well, then that's you.

Speaker:

That's right. But I think important in that, and we could go into this another time, is the importance of choice and being conscious. There's a difference when you're out of control, you don't know who you are, you're being run. I love what's that saying you use that I love what's pro what's running your program? What's running you is something I've really looked at this year, and I'm seeing it in my friends, and I'm seeing it in neighbors when they get angry. I'll ask myself, hmm, what's running that? You know, because something's going on. So, in other words, it's a consciousness. If you want to slide, like you just said, if you want to go out with a bang and not a whimper, do it. But you're making a choice. And I think what's important for people to know is that we do have choice.

Speaker 1:

We do have choice, and I okay, so I want to just say about that. You want to go out with a bang instead of a whimper. Just be conscious, if we can, of the people around us who are gonna have to take care of you, or our our healthcare system that's going to be, you know, burdened by you, you know. All that adds up to me. It's all about me.

Speaker:

I want this. I'll finish by saying, you know, we had an incident. I live in a small condominium, 12 units. There was an incident with some, you know, neighbor disputes, yelling, blah, blah, blah. What I ended up saying was it personally affected me because I'm conf, I don't like conflict. I don't want that in my environment. And so I think it's it's great to be able to be yourself, but what you just said, you've affected an entire community. It's not just you. We're all connected. And I've always been highly for individualism. Again, so happy I grew up in the 60s. We got to be individuals. You and I are who we are because we lived in a society that allowed that. How do you balance? Here we go, balance. How do you balance your own way of doing things? This is where I'm at in my life right now. These are the things I want to examine and look at. With how does it affect how does it affect those around you?

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Okay, good point. And I think it has to come back to what you know the Dalai Lama has dedicated his life to, and that's compassion. So compassion not only for yourself, but for everyone else. So when I look at balancing my life, I'm gonna, I'm gonna also look at will I be a burden in this case if I trash myself? And, you know, where where is this balance? How does it affect everyone else around me? I do think about that, you know, how does this affect my family? How does it gonna affect, how is it gonna affect the world? Yeah, I'm just a little drop in the, you know, in the puddle here, you know, but at the same time, I'm a drop. I'm a part of it. And all I want to do is teach people that you are all drops, and all these drops are making up this flood that is consuming our world with violence and with sickness and with mental suffering. What the Dalai Lama and so many wonderful spiritual teachers say, you know, it's not necessary. You don't have to. It's not, it's really pretty simple. So that's you know, that's through all of these episodes and the ones going forward, using my mindful mandala cards, all of these things are all towards it's that we don't have to suffer and destroy each other. We don't have to do it, but it's a choice to to step away from the I, just me, myself, and mine, right? And look at how my actions, what's the consequences of my actions in the rest of the world? And that's a wrapper for 2025. I'll be back in the new year with more stories and wise women sharing their experience and wisdom with all of us. So I want to thank Deborah Fernandez for our second conversation, of which we plan to continue doing more of those in the year to come. If you're new to my podcast, you can find all the episodes on deliaquigly.substack.com. Become a subscriber, and a world of stories and tools for understanding your five bodies becomes available. I hope you'll join me so together we can unravel what it is to be human in this most interesting time of planetary and human evolution. You've been listening to stories? I'm Delia Quigley. Until next time, you can't do it.

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Delia Quigley

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Debra Fernandez

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